Taking back the community
Published on July 31, 2005 By Death_By_Beebles In Blogging
It seems, to me, that things have been going rather badly here at JU. This has not been a unique trend, as the community over at DeviantArt took a big hit with the forced removal of one of the site's cofounders, Scott Jarkoff. But, that story is neither here, nor now, and I'll get to it in another article.

JoeUser, when I first arrived, was ideal. A small but continually expanding base of people wrote, replied, and created blogs that were of interest to the general populace, and were well written. Users like GemCityJoe and Capt. Cornbread were the norm, friendly users who worked together to form a coherent blogging community. Each person got their share of time, and each person got their bit of glory. Things were nice and laid out, and you didn't have to guess about secret alliances and pacts under the surface of the JU ocean.

Looking back, I'm going to deem this time frame The Age, and hinceforth, you get the picture. The Age wasn't about points or who was better than other people. It was about the ideal of blogging. People blogged and responded to blogs because it was something they enjoyed and got a lot of fufillment out of. It was a good time at JU to be a newbie blogger, and I'm glad I came into it when I did. If not, I have no clue as to whether I'd be doing what I'm doing now.

It seems to me, that JU is in some hot water. Long past is The Age where people did what they did because it was just blogging. Now there are pacts, secret alliances, undertones of corruption and manipulation that undermine the normal structure of the JoeUser blogsphere. Groups of three and four people have used continued methods to boost blogs, that are, unfortuantly IMO, not as good as other blogs.

JoeUser isn't going to die off. It isn't going to go anywhere. But whether you face it or not, the demographic is changing. It's a tide against the founders, and the events of Ashley Ryder and Manya and the like were just the beginning of what I feel is the eventual landslide and downfall of the JoeUser community. Now, users like Lucas Bailey pollute the blogsphere, and to what end? To manipulate the points system, to see themselves on a pedistal they may or may not deserve. I have a problem with that. I've read the crap, I've lurked the forums, and frankly, I'm sick and tired.

Now we, as Joeusers, are at a crossroads. There are quite a few paths to pick, but most lead to a degenerate and startling future. In my estimation, it is time to take back the community. It's time to return JoeUser to the way it was back when. I propose, as a JoeUser, that we set ourselves to the rebuilding of the community. I propose a new change in the way things are done.

1) Comment, and don't just get them back. A lot of times, when people comment, it is only because someone commented on their work first. Stop that cycle, and be a person that actively engages in debate, opens meaningful discussions, and creates insightful responses. When the quality of the blogging goes up, then the quality of the community goes up.

2) Write good blogs, and interact on a community level. Blogging is about the blogs, not the points. We're setting ourselves up for a downfall if you use the points system mentality. I suggest a return to original purpose of JoeUser, and that is to write good blogs. Poluting the blogsphere with articles that don't matter just for the points is selfish, and totally undermining of the blogging system.

3) I suggest a time of continual community. Setting aside a month, a week, or a day to just celebrate the community of JU, or setting aside a day to write about how you joined JU and your experiences here, to help other people know you better.

Comment, discuss, debate. That's what it's here for.

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on Jul 31, 2005
Ok, now that that is taken care of... (somehow Dr. Guy's post actually posted 8 times)

@ Dr. Guy: The cabal itself isn't important in this situation. Rather, I believe there is one, and that's all there is to it. For all anyone knows, I could be the head archon of said cabal, and noone would know anything about it, or know any better. I am not, as you can definitely tell by my points score )

The idea behind there being a cabal at JU is what is most important in this scenario, especially because a cabal effectively undermines the whole idea of blogging. Why should you do it for points, other than to be on the top 10 list? These types of members can even seem pro-community, but in reality, they're more often than not just looking for a quick easy 5 points. AND, just be because you don't care, doesn't mean they don't exist. One person does not dictate the entire blogsphere. Thus, your actions, or my actions, or any one person's actions can not alone do anything to correct the problem, the problem being this seeming "lack of community" that I feel needs to be adressed.

Only as a collected community can we make JU's blogging experience a better one.
on Aug 01, 2005
We AS A COMMUNITY need to discipline ourselves and simply refuse to give these liars, plagiarist, conspiracists, and general morons the attention they crave. I'm guilty of it myself, padding these people's points in my efforts to let them know exactly what I think of them.

As if they care, right?

I'll do it no more. The Reiki-Houses and Lucas Baileys of this community will earn no more points from me, if I feel I must address something they've said, I will do it on an article of my own.


It's a good start, I believe. Discouraging "site terrorists" as Satyrobe calls them by not giving them the satisfaction of making more lies to gain more points is a core issue here. By reading and commenting on things you feel are worth discussion, you prove to all other bloggers that you care about good blogging. If we as a community stand beside this ideal, then soon those who would normally spam and cheat will hopefully begin to see that good blogging can get them to the top of the list. This type of action acts here as a preventative measure, although it won't prevent all spammers, or prevent all plagarism and etc., it will provide an impetus for change in those that do those activities now.

on Aug 01, 2005
I think that even describing the collection of JUsers as a "community" is stretching the definition a bit.

In most communities, people are members until they leave or die. If I leave with all intent of never coming back, and I tell no one of this intent, AND I don’t delete my blog, am I a community member still? There are many permutations of these types of questions you could ask that would shed light to reveal that the “JU Community” is a gem with many facets, and only one facet hangs out here everyday.

With respect to you Beebles, here is the outline of what I find fallacy in your post:

Now we, as Joeusers


Who = We? People that have a blog even though they might be dead now? People that blog once a year? A month? A week? A day? An hour? Pick a random time next week and ask yourself this question "Is OckhamsRazor a member of the JU community right now?" If you have an answer to that, what do you base it on?

If you look at all the JU blogs listed, you’ll find that prolific writers are in the vast minority of citizens in JUVille. The silent majority is very real here, and you can't very well discount them and still call it a community.

So is it the whole community that is at a crossroads, or just the tiniest piece of it?
on Aug 01, 2005
Online communities go through these cycles. The good and the bad pass in time and things get back to "normal" eventually. I honestly think you're over-dramatizing this whole deal with talk of secret conspiracies and dark pacts and people hidden in the shadows. Yeah, there are some cliques, but those always exist.

We're at a low point on the cycle, it'll swing back up eventually. Those who are on the fence will leave, and we'll be back to a small active community again. When small things will get better and it'll attract more people again, as it gets larger tensions will grow and tempers will flare, then people will leave in disgust or whatever and the whole thing will start over again.

Don't worry so much over how and what others write. Be content writing well in your own space and reading the articles written by your favorite writers. If someone pisses you off, don't read them. Your experience at JU is only as positive or negative as you let it be.
on Aug 01, 2005
Great article Beebes. And some very interesting and thoughtful points too. Everyone has pretty much said it here in there responses. I agree with Tex especially about that sense of urgency that used to be there and isn't anymore. Infact, I lost that sense of urgency some time ago because there seems to be so much in-fighting and name callings and so on. The points whoreing truthfully didn't and doesn't bother me. If that's all someone came to JU to do then that's there problem. But it does affect us all when there blog is a bunch of nonsense and they take and get credit for what they didn't do. Or they influence others into doing something or boycotting someone. It's unfair. It's also unfair when others put on another persona to meet or satisfy some foolish goal.

I like that idea of getting JU back to what it was, or even better, make it better than it was and ignore those who strive for the downfall of JU by causing chaos!

Blogging and sharing our stories are the reason most people are here. Reading and commenting on others articles is an important part of that sharing. No matter what everyone likes to have their blogs read by others and getting a comment is icing on the cake!

As I said, I lost some of the urgency but I've found it again because when it comes down to it, I like being here, there are still people here I enjoy having discussions with and I love to write, whether it's about me and my family or share a joke, or some other article I've read. That's what it's really all about in the end. Letting someone else dictate how and what I should write and feel about or not participate in is definately not going to happen again!

So most definately, I agree with what you say and look forward to JU continuing to be a community of growth and friendship!
on Aug 02, 2005
I read this last night, and without looking at all the other comments, what is a community anyway?

For me, JU is a place where I downright detest some of the users here, as I am sure I am detested by some, do you call that a community?

Alas, it is a place I can come back to, because people here doknow me, simply because i have lowered my omnipresent walls in writing for myself, whuch happens to be read by faceless strangers - people here know more about me than a lot of people you would ever come across in the real world... as much as i like to think I don't give a rats ass what others think about me, it holds so much more truth here, because i am in no way attached to the outcome.

By default, I know more about you all as well, because i have read your articles, and it's time you get on the soapbox that is normally not afforded to us in our every day lives.

I guess that's what this community is about - but i suppose you are only part of it if you take the time to really listen to what people are telling you, or tell people something they want to hear.

well, it made sense to me. carry on.
on Aug 02, 2005
well, it made sense to me. carry on.


I will.
on Aug 02, 2005
like that idea of getting JU back to what it was, or even better, make it better than it was and ignore those who strive for the downfall of JU by causing chaos!

Blogging and sharing our stories are the reason most people are here. Reading and commenting on others articles is an important part of that sharing. No matter what everyone likes to have their blogs read by others and getting a comment is icing on the cake!


Indeed! I think the goal here is just a better blogging experience here at JU, and I'm willing to do what it takes to make it that way.


Who = We? People that have a blog even though they might be dead now? People that blog once a year? A month? A week? A day? An hour? Pick a random time next week and ask yourself this question "Is OckhamsRazor a member of the JU community right now?" If you have an answer to that, what do you base it on?

If you look at all the JU blogs listed, you’ll find that prolific writers are in the vast minority of citizens in JUVille. The silent majority is very real here, and you can't very well discount them and still call it a community.

So is it the whole community that is at a crossroads, or just the tiniest piece of it?


Hmm... A good question posed, but one I think I have an answer for. I believe that any person who wants to be part of the community is a part of the community. I think in this case, how many blogs you have or how often you visit is irrelevant. What matters is that you wish for JU to be a place where you enjoy blogging. Everyone is at that crossroads, know it or not. By how you act and what you post, you decide what way you want JoeUser to go, and if that means spouting drivel to drive your points up, it's fairly obvious where you want it to go.



on Aug 02, 2005
Let me take another tack at this. If I say "Hey! Wait a minute! I like all the drivel, and the back biting, and the mud slinging, and the plagiarism, and the whining right along with all the stuff you might label as good - insightful posts, well thought out arguments, spirited healthy debates, etc..." does my vote count? What if I think JU is going right where it is supposed to go?

Can I say "JU is just fine!" and have you agree?

The trouble with the argument is that it assumes too much about too many that aren't here, yet they are still a part of JU with all their faults and blemishes.

True Utopia in anything is a dream, because without the funk of the "other" side of humanity, there is nothing to define any utopian ideal. You can't say 1 is greater than anything if 1 is the only number that exists. We need our zeroes - they serve a very important purpose.
on Aug 02, 2005
Having goals set to be a blogger who is in the top 10 is not a bad thing in itself, but posting drivel to get yourself another 5 or 15 points is.


Oh, believe me...if I was posting just for points, I could produce about 3 to 4 times the material I posted here in my peak. Of course, that would mean fewer original articles and more copy/paste work, but I could do it VERY easily.

I don't think the "down" part of the cycle is a "good" thing, but I don't think it's a "bad" thing either. It just IS. Like real life relationships, which also endure highs and lows, the nature of an internet community simply is what it is.
on Aug 03, 2005
damn, killed another thread.


That happens to me a lot too.
on Aug 03, 2005

Reply By: little_whip

Inspired by your research, I did my own, and actually got to 16 before I got a 0 hit.  But it also made me wonder.  What has become of Sir Petey and DSH?  I have not seem the lurking around lately.

on Aug 03, 2005
What has become of Sir Petey and DSH? I have not seem the lurking around lately.


shhhhhh...I'm sure they are here...perhaps they went to gaza with jfj to meet some nice boiz.
on Aug 03, 2005
Hint, hint, Tex. People wanna play games? Lets play.


Hahahhaa...well, today's tamale-making day, but I'll play with you. Hehe.
on Aug 03, 2005

Thats why certain people start a whole new comment block for each individual they respond to, instead of addressing several people at a time.

I am guilty of that, but not for points reasons (I did not even realize at first I was getting points).  I do it for 2 reasons.  One, I hate losing a long response or article, and 2, when I do a 'quote', it always puts the new quote at the very beginning.  of the response, and I hate having to move it down.

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